Yesterday I was looking at a "traditional" discussion forum where a guy was stating that this position was essentially not Catholic. He gave a link to his website (which I will not give because it's easy enough for a person to find falsehood on the Internet without me aiding it). On this site was a lengthy list of Catholic Theologians, Doctors, Saints, and yes even a Pope or two. These certain Catholics have, at one point or another, theologically speculated on issues such as Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance. What this site, and all sites like it, lack is, even one "EX CATHEDRA" statement from one Pope that is infallibly protected from error as defined at Vatican I, that teaches baptism of blood, etc... The reason is because it does not exist. In fact there are several Popes who have reiterated that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church and meet the Vatican I requirements for infallibility.
Sites and people like this don't realize that they are promoting blasphemy against the Saintly Martyrs and Missionaries of the Church. Saints who endured tortures and death so as to not give up the Catholic Faith and water baptize as many s
ouls as possible.They also don't realize that they cannot truthfully assert most of the Catholic Church's Profession of Faiths because they require one to believe in one Baptism, not three or four.
If one wants to find out about the Dogmatic teachings of the church on this subject, they, and a whole lot more, can be found in a book by Bro. Peter Dimond at www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com
4 comments:
Good words.
Actually, its YOU who is the blasphemer. The Catholic Church has ALWAYS taught Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. This has nothing to do with the fact that there is no salvation outside the church. You are like the protestants who privately interpret the Bible -- you privately interpret the teachings of the Church, without reading them in the mind of the Church. You dare to deny the sacred tradition of the Church that Saint Emerentiana, among many others, was baptised by her own blood. This is present in the traditional Breviary and has been commemorated for 1800 years:
“Emerantiana, a Roman virgin, stepsister of the blessed Agnes, while still a catechumen, burning with faith and charity, when she vehemently rebuked idol-worshippers who were stealing from Christians, was stoned and struck down by the crowd which she had angered. Praying in her agony at the tomb of holy Agnes, baptized by her own blood which she poured forth unflinchingly for Christ, she gave up her soul to God."
The 1917 Code of Canon Law, containing the laws TO BE OBEYED by the Catholic Church, says:
1267. Unbaptised persons may not receive ecclesiastical burial, with the exception of catechumens who, through no fault of theirs, die without having received baptism, and are therefore to be regarded as among those baptised. Canon (1239)
The commentaries in the CHURCH APPROVED 1582 Douay Rheims New Testament also teach Baptism of Desire and Blood, as the Church has always:
"Though in this case, God which hath not bound his grace, in respect of his own freedom, to any Sacrament, may and doth accept them as baptized, which either are martyred before they could be baptized, or else depart this life with vow and desire to have that Sacrament, but by some remediless necessity could not obtain it."
This does not at all contradict Cantate Domino of Eugene, which you heretics privately interpret. Cantate Domino, as intepreted by the CHURCH, not some two "monks" in a pretend monastery, is speaking of Protestants and other heretics, who believe they shed blood in the name of Christ, but are not saved.
You people also introduce the biggest innovation, never seen in the history of the Church: you say there are "errors" in the Summa of St. Thomas. For centuries, the clergy has been instructed in St. Thomas. Every Pope, Bishop, and priest before Vatican II accepted all the doctrine contained in it. Were they all heretics, as you foolishly imply? Pope Urban V said:
"We command you to follow the doctrine of St. Thomas as the Catholic doctrine, and study to embrace it with all your power."
St. Thomas, and the entire Church, taught Baptism of blood and desire, at all times. Instead of humbly accepting the doctrines of the Church, you, like Luther, rebel, and set up a false "church," following some "brothers" who have no authority in these matters, and who have absolutely NO training in the theological sciences. Their "theology" essentially consists of taking quotes from Councils, Saints, Doctors, Popes, and privately interpreting them, just like Protestants take quotes from the Bible.
And then, another innovation - you heretics say that everything to be believed by Catholics must have an infallible statement to back it up. What baloney! His Holiness, Pope Pius XII, defined the Dogma of the Assumption in only the 1950s; up to that point it had never been "infallibly defined." But nevertheless, it would've been heresy to deny it before it was defined. Again, just like Protestants, who say everything to be believed must be in the Bible, you people say everything to be believed must be backed up with an infallible statment. Also, all theologians before Vatican II even declared it heretical to deny baptism of blood and desire.
In fact, Baptism of Desire is backed up with an infallible statment. The Council of Trent:
Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Sess. 6, Chap. 4: “In these words there is suggested a description of the justification of the impious, how there is a transition from that state in which a person is born as a child of the first Adam to the state of grace and of adoption as sons of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ our saviour; indeed, this transition, once the gospel has been promulgated, cannot take place without the laver of regeneration or a desire for it, as it is written: Unless a man is born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:5).”
But no, you won't even accept what the Council of Trent said. Instead of simply accepting the Church's interpretation of Trent, what the Dimond "brothers" do is talk to a non-Catholic Oxford woman "scholar" to ask for her intepretation of a CHURCH COUNCIL!!! Have fun rotting in hell!
This is why Fr. Feeney and his heretic followers were excommunicated. Most "holy" family "monastery" does all in their power to descredit the Church's excommunication of Feeney by the Holy Office. Meanwhile, they forget the fact that the excommunication was signed by CARDINAL OTTAVIANI! If we can't even trust these documents coming from the Church, as the Dimond's assert, then what is the point of even having a church, we might as well just ask the Dimonds for the answer to everything! All hail 'Pope Dimond' These pompous fools even go so far as to attribute prophecies to themselves!
the theif on the cross next to Christ who was told that he would be in heavan seems to indicate baptism of desire or blood. Although it is possible that he was already baptised
It does make logical sence to me that one who wants to be baptised and has absolutely no way of making it happen is in a very unique situation.
Who then can be saved? With man much is lacking but with God all things are possible.
I have lots of respect for MHFM. God has truly given them great graces to be able to make such research and studies and write it all simple enough to understand for those who truly want the truth.
As for my comments on those who commented anonymously, IF your position is correct why not show your name without fear? That's right, because you are simply cowards! The sad thing is that ALL THOSE OBJECTIONS that were brought up by those two Anonymous commentators have been REFUTED in this book: Outside the Catholic Church There Is Absolutely No Salvation. *sigh* It truly is a sad thing to be in heresy and don't know that you are in heresy. I would recommend anyone of good will to get this book (It's only $5 FREE S%H) or get the 4 DVD Special: 11 Different Programs on 4 DVDs + 3 Books (including this one) for $20 which has A LOT OF MATERIAL! This book is amazing.
You can order it here: http://store.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/3dvdspecial.html
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Here are links to this great book which demonstrate these refuted objections by these anonymous commentators. Copy and paste links.
Obj. #1: You are acting like a Protestant. The Protestant privately interprets Sacred Scripture, while you privately interpret dogmatic statements.
Ans.: BELIEVE DOGMA AS IT WAS ONCE DECLARED! http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#privateinterpretation
Obj. #2: Saint Emerentiana
Ans.: "Summarizing the Facts on Baptism of Blood" http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#summarizingthefacts
Obj. #3: The 1917 Code of Canon Law
Ans.: Section: “The 1917 Code– page 159” http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#Code1917
Obj. #4: This does not at all contradict Cantate Domino of Eugene.
Ans.: WRONG! FYI Exultate Deo Also Ends the Debate http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#exultatedeo
Obj. #5: You people also introduce the biggest innovation, never seen in the history of the Church: you say there are "errors" in the Summa of St. Thomas.
Ans.: St. Thomas Aquinas – http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#thomasaquinas
St. Thomas Aquinas, despite all of his fabulous writing and learning about the Catholic Faith, being a fallible human being, was wrong on many points, including his explicit statement in the Summa Theologica that “The flesh of the Virgin was conceived in Original Sin.” [St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. III, Q. 14, Art. 3, Reply to Obj. 1.]
[My comments: Well, isn’t that something? Are you sure that’s not an error in the Summa of St. Thomas? Hmm… That’s a bit odd.]
Obj. #6: Council of Trent Sess. 6, Chap. 4
Ans.: Sess. 6, Chap. 4 of the Council of Trent http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#Sess6chap4
Obj. #7: This is why Fr. Feeney and his heretic followers were excommunicated.
Ans.: The Case of Father Feeney - http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#Section26
OBJ #8: What about the Good Thief?
Ans: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php#Sess6chap4
To see the whole book online and ALL THESE REFUTED OBJECTIONS copy and paste link: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php
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