Thursday, January 10, 2008

response to comment

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do believe everything you say is true. But what you're dealing with is human error. The churches dogma has not change regardless how sinful our Priests, Bishops and Popes have been. I think what has happened to your kind of Catholic is you have become so narrow minded that you feel it is necessary to pass judgment on God's people. Instead of trying to go backwards in the Church, you should stay, fight it, and put it back on the right track. We have had error in the Church from the year of Christ death. Do you remember Judas Iscariot.

TCE: Thanks for the Comment. Let me break the response up into your different quotes.

"I do believe everything you say is true. But what you're dealing with is human error."-

Yes we are dealing with human error because Jesus nor His Bride could ever err.


"The churches dogma has not change regardless how sinful our Priests, Bishops and Popes have been. "

Dogma can never change, it has been believed since the start of the Catholic Church at Pentecost. We are to believe it as it has once been declared. The Church condemns changing its meaning under any false notion such as evolution of dogma or a deeper understanding of it. So you are correct in that area. The problem is John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI have all taught contrary to dogma and obstinately refused to give up their heresy.

Like you said, sins and immoral behavior are bad enough, but heresy, schism, and apostasy all remove one from communion with the Catholic Church. Church teaching and simple logic tell us that you cannot be the head of which you do not belong.

"I think what has happened to your kind of Catholic is you have become so narrow minded that you feel it is necessary to pass judgment on God's people."

As far as passing eternal judgement on somebody I can never do that. But, there have been truths revealed by God to let us know His mind. For example, we do know that if a person dies without actual physical membership in the Catholic Church they will go to hell. Also, as far as judging others, it is obligatory that we do so as commanded by God. If we see a person committing adultery or any other mortal sin, we would judge them to be adulterers, etc.. If we did not judge, we would not be able to stay away from people who might be occasions of sin for us. Christ commanded us to judge people by their fruits, if we didn't we would place our souls in jeopardy.

"Instead of trying to go backwards in the Church, you should stay, fight it, and put it back on the right track."

I would never leave the Catholic Church, but the Vatican II church is not the Catholic Church. It is the whore of Babylon prophesied by St. John in the Apocalypse. Our Lady at La Salette said Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Anti-Christ… the Church will be in eclipse.” This is not the only prediction the Vatican has suppressed to one extent or another.The fact that we are in the last stages of the Great Apostasy is obvious given the fact that there are hardly any Catholics left that believe what the Church teaches. To stay in the Vatican II church is like staying in the Muslim "religion" and trying to convert them to Christianity. The Catholic Church and the Vatican II church are diametrically opposed and are from different founders.

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We have had error in the Church from the year of Christ death. Do you remember Judas Iscariot."

I'm sorry, but your last statement contains a falsehood, whether intentional or not. You said the Church has contained error from the beginning. The Catholic Church cannot contain error, it is the Perfect and Immaculate Bride of Christ. The Church being wrong etc... is a fallacy promoted by this false church in today's world in order to promote false ecumenism. Also, Judas Iscariot was not guilty of error (heresy), he was guilty of despair and suicide.
Thanks for the comment, I hope my response was helpful.
P.S.
If you want - heresies by any of the last anti-popes, list of other prophecies that predict the present situation of the Catholic Church or any other clarifications please write back.
n8pzo

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have one last thing to say and then I will not return to this site. I think maybe we need to remember our own sins and how we got rid of them. A man or women can be redeemed by the sacrament of penance. That is all I meant when I said that you can't pass judgment on people. They have a right to ask for forgiveness through confession. I think you need to read some good things about the Popes you so adamantly call anti-popes. I believe the biggest of Heretics can be brought back to the Church through the sacrament of penance. I hope you have a wonderful life with your thinking because you have blasphemed against the Church you say you belong to.

Pati said...

Hello to you anonymous ! If you ever come back again and don't ever say no. You just condemned yourself my friend in your first sentence by your own words, only you are too blind to see it.
It seems like you need to get the needle out of your eye because you seem to have a hard time seeing your own sin. I believe you came to this site to have a chance to repent from it. Rejecting the truth is a mortal sin against the Holy Ghost. Out of charity , I urge you to read on:

You just blasphemed against Jesus and his bride the Catholic Church and unless you wake up and accept the truth and love it, Jesus will not help you to accept the truth because you don't care!
You look no near to repentence and to be forgiven by God if you continues this way. When a sinner decides to stay in his sin and doesn't care, there is no mercy. Pity yes and sadness. But when a sinner returns to God and makes an honest amend of his life and does a good confession, yes open arms and forgiveness to him. God is full of love and mercy. Oh you are so blind my friend, and you are really hard to convert. You are as tough as a muslim. Yes the biggest heretics can come to the Church but only God knows for sure. A heretic has to first show signs of repentence to receive the grace of forgiveness and mercy from God that he needs to be saved. Show mercy , love and forgiveness to a sinner when he repents as I said. In the mean time prayer and sacrifice, etc... YOu don't know how lost you are.
I can say that the person that responded to you answered you so well and with great charity and kindness. Something I seem to lack. You returned the charity with rudeness and Pride. God gave you a chance to see the truth and you rejected it. The Holy Spirit directed you to this site for a reason. How can you be so Blind !!
Oh that pride is the root of all sin. Please don't turn this grace away again if God offers you a chance later in your life.
Congratulations for this site, I have been reading for a while and don't stop. Your material is very good and I too read MHFM and I have the material.

Keep in touch,
Pat
A single mother of 2 grest teenagers. Catholic not in communion with vatican 2 and it's false popes.

Pat.